SEMINOLE COUNTY, FLORIDA  
COUNTY SERVICES BUILDING  
1101 EAST FIRST STREET  
SANFORD, FLORIDA  
32771­1468  
Meeting Minutes  
Tuesday, July 25, 2023  
2:00 PM  
BCC Chambers  
Board of County Commissioners  
Call to Order  
Chairman (District 4) Amy Lockhart  
Present:  
Vice Chairman (District 5) Andria Herr  
Commissioner (District 1) Bob Dallari  
Commissioner (District 2) Jay Zembower  
Commissioner (District 3) Lee Constantine  
Additional Attendees: County Manager Darren Gray, Acting County Attorney Paul Chipok,  
Clerk of Court General Counsel John Knutton, and Deputy Clerk Chariti Guevara.  
Invocation  
Chaplain Dan Royer, The Homes of Ethnos 360, Sanford, gave the invocation.  
Pledge of Allegiance  
Chairman Lockhart led the Pledge of Allegiance.  
AWARDS, PRESENTATIONS AND PROCLAMATIONS  
1.  
Proclamation - Proclaiming Petty Officer Richard Watters, United States  
Navy as Seminole County's July Veteran of the Month. (Petty Officer  
Richard Watters, United Navy)  
Motion by Vice Chairman Herr, seconded by Commissioner Zembower, to adopt the  
Proclamation proclaiming Petty Officer Richard Watters, United States Navy as  
Seminole County's July Veteran of the Month.  
Districts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 voted AYE.  
2.  
Resolution - Recognizing Mary Myers for 30 Years of Service to Seminole  
County and Its Citizens. (Mary Myers, Manager, Comptroller’s Office)  
Resolution #2023-R-72  
Motion by Chairman Lockhart, seconded by Commissioner Zembower, to adopt  
appropriate Resolution #2023-R-72 recognizing Mary Myers for 30 Years of Service to  
Seminole County and Its Citizens.  
Districts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 voted AYE.  
3.  
Resolution - Recognizing Jeff Hopper, Principal Planner, Planning and  
Development Division for 22 years of dedicated service to Seminole  
County and its citizens (Jeff Hopper, Planning and Development Division).  
Resolution #2023-R-73  
Motion by Commissioner Zembower, seconded by Commissioner Dallari, to adopt  
appropriate Resolution #2023-R-73 recognizing Jeff Hopper, Principal Planner,  
Planning and Development Division, for 22 years of dedicated service to Seminole  
County and its citizens.  
Districts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 voted AYE.  
4.  
Resolution - Recognizing Darrell White for 35 Years of Service to  
Seminole County Government and Its Citizens (Darrell White, Team  
Leader, Roads and Stormwater Division)  
Resolution #2023-R-74  
Motion by Commissioner Dallari, seconded by Commissioner Constantine, to adopt  
appropriate Resolution #2023-R-74 recognizing Darrell White for 35 Years of Service to  
Seminole County Government and Its Citizens.  
Districts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 voted AYE.  
5.  
County Investment Advisor Report (Scott McIntyre, CFA - Senior Portfolio  
Manager, Managing Director Hilltop Securities Asset Management)  
Motion by Commissioner Zembower, seconded by Vice Chairman Herr, to approve the  
implementation of the purchase recommendations of the Board's Financial Advisor  
based upon the report submitted today and recommend the Clerk implement said  
Board recommendations.  
Districts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 voted AYE.  
CONSENT AGENDA – PUBLIC PARTICIPATION  
With regard to public participation, no one spoke and public input was closed.  
County Manager’s Consent Agenda (Items No. 6 - 19)  
Motion by Commissioner Constantine, seconded by Commissioner Zembower, to approve  
Items 6 through 18.  
Districts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 voted AYE.  
County Manager's Office  
6.  
Approve and authorize the Chairman to execute Memorandums of  
Agreement between Seminole County and Hispanic Family Counseling;  
and Seminole County and Impower for mental health services during  
times of disaster/emergency. Countywide (Alan Harris, Emergency  
Management Director)  
7.  
8.  
Approve and authorize the Chairman to execute a Memorandum of  
Agreement between Hindu Society of Central Florida for the use of the  
facility as an evacuation shelter during times of disaster/emergency.  
Countywide (Alan Harris, Emergency Management Director)  
Approve and authorize the Chairman to execute a Memorandum of  
Agreement between Seminole County Public School and Seminole  
County for the use of facilities, staffing, and food services for evacuation  
shelters during times of disaster/emergency. Countywide (Alan Harris,  
Emergency Management Director)  
Community Services  
9. Approve and authorize the Chairman to execute the First Amendment to  
the Federally Funded Agreement for the 2023/2024 Community Services  
Block Grant Award between the Florida Department of Commerce and  
Seminole County in the amount of $310,725. Countywide (Carrie  
Longsworth, Community Services Division Manager)  
10.  
11.  
Approve and accept the HOME and NSP monthly report for June 2023  
pursuant to Seminole County Resolution No 2015-R-51, and No  
2013-R-61. Approve the 2nd quarter Attainable Housing report pursuant  
to Ordinance No 2021-14. Countywide (Stacey Smithwick, Community  
Development Division Manager).end  
Approve and authorize the Chairman to execute the Seminole County  
2023-2024 One-Year Action Plan with required documents to submit to  
HUD for approval. Countywide (Stacey Smithwick, Community  
Development Division Manager)  
Development Services  
12. Nuisance Abatement Release of Lien for 7750 Sanford Avenue, Sanford -  
Authorize the Chairman to execute a Release of Lien in the amount of  
$3,889.74 associated with the property located at 7750 Sanford Avenue,  
Sanford; filed against Mercerdees Murrell (Morgan Voke, Applicant)  
District5, Herr (Liz Parkhurst, Project Manager).  
Leisure Services  
13. Approve and authorize the Chairman to execute the Second Amendment  
to Preferred Operator Agreement between Seminole County and Perfect  
Game USA, Inc. to detail the installation of live streaming cameras.  
District5 - Herr (Michael Wirsing, Parks and Recreation Division Manager)  
Public Works  
14. Approve and authorize the Chairman to execute a Purchase Agreement  
related to Parcel No. 102-1 for property interests needed for the Orange  
Boulevard Improvement Project (1,851± SF) between Donald W.  
Boughan and Roberta Sue Boughan both as Co-Trustees of the Donald  
W. Boughan Trust and the Roberta Sue Boughan Trust and Gerald L.  
Boughan and Keith A. Boughan and Seminole County for $10,650.00, as  
full settlement and any other claim for compensation from which Seminole  
County might be obligated to pay relating to the parcel.District5 - Herr  
(Jean Jreij P.E., Public Works Director/County Engineer).  
15.  
Approve and authorize the Chairman to execute a Purchase Agreement  
related to Parcel No. 102 for property interests needed for the Orange  
Boulevard Improvement Project (296± SF) between Donald W. Boughan  
and Roberta Sue Boughan both as Co-Trustees of the Donald W.  
Boughan Trust and the Roberta Sue Boughan Trust and Seminole County  
for $2,000.00, as full settlement and any other claim for compensation  
from which Seminole County might be obligated to pay relating to the  
parcel. District5 - Herr (Jean Jreij P.E, Public Works Director/County  
Engineer).  
Resource Management  
16. Approve and authorize the Chairman to execute a Resolution  
implementing Budget Amendment Request (BAR 23-061) in the 2014  
Infrastructure Sales Tax Fund to appropriate budget in the amount of  
$392,372 from reserves for additional funding for the Miller Road  
Culvert/Drainage Project. Countywide (Timothy Jecks, Budget Director)  
Requesting Department - Public Works  
Resolution #2023-R-75 for BAR #23-061  
17.  
18.  
Approve and authorize the Chairman to execute a Resolution  
implementing the Budget Amendment Request (BAR) #23-062 to  
appropriate budget of $5,420.00 from the Disaster Preparedness Fund for  
the capital purchase of a Mister Fan for emergency preparedness.  
Countywide (Timothy Jecks, Budget Director) Requesting Department -  
Office of Emergency Management.  
Resolution #2023-R-76 for BAR #23-062  
Award RFP-604547-23/LAS- Term Contract for Promotional Assessment  
Testing for Seminole County Fire Department to PAS Consulting Group  
LLC, Dunwoody, GA at an estimated annual amount of $26,160.00 and  
authorize the Purchasing and Contracts Division to execute the  
agreement. Countywide (Diane Reed, Purchasing and Contracts Division  
Manager) Requesting Department /Division-Fire Department/Fire  
Operations  
Constitutional Officers – Consent Agenda  
19.  
Expenditure Approval Lists dated June 13, 20, and 27, 2023; Payroll  
Approval Lists dated June 8 and 22, 2023; BCC Official Minutes dated  
April 11 and 25, May 9 and 23, June 8 (Special Meeting) and 13, 2023;  
and BCC Records Destruction Lists. (Jenny Spencer, CPA, CGFO, and  
CFE, Director, Comptroller’s Office)  
Motion by Commissioner Zembower, seconded by Commissioner Constantine, to  
approve Expenditure Approval Lists dated June 13, 20, and 27, 2023; Payroll Approval  
Lists dated June 8 and 22, 2023; BCC Official Minutes dated April 11 and 25, May 9  
and 23, June 8 (Special Meeting) and 13, 2023; and BCC Records Destruction Lists.  
Districts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 voted AYE.  
REGULAR AGENDA  
20. Millage Rates for TRIM Notification - Establish the Fiscal Year 2023/24  
proposed millage rates and set the date, time, and place for the First  
Public Hearing to tentatively adopt the Fiscal Year 2023/24 County  
Budget. Countywide (Timothy Jecks, Budget Director) Requesting  
Department - Resource Management  
Mr. Jecks presented the item as outlined in the agenda memorandum.  
With regard to public participation, John Horvath spoke in support.  
No one else spoke and public input was closed.  
Public Comment Form was received and filed.  
Motion by Commissioner Zembower, seconded by Commissioner Constantine, to  
maintain the total rate mill of 7.7507 and authorize staff to schedule the first public  
hearing to adopt the tentative millage rates and budget for FY 2023/2024 on  
September 12, 2023, at 5:30 p.m. and the second public hearing on September 26,  
2023, at 5:30 p.m.  
Districts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 voted AYE.  
COUNTY MANAGER'S REPORT - No Parking Signs on Brentwood  
No Parking Signs On Brentwood  
Mr. Gray displayed a map (received and filed) and provided an update on Brentwood Avenue.  
Last year the County installed no parking signs at the request of the Sheriff's Office, and  
about a month and a half ago, there was a complaint on the legality of that. The signs were  
then removed. The County Attorney's Office did some research and recommends the Board  
needs to approve this. They are working in the meantime on the Code change so when it  
comes to public safety, especially when the Sheriff is requesting it, it can be handled through  
the Code. Mr. Gray requested the Board approve those signs be installed on both sides of  
the road on Brentwood Avenue.  
Chairman Lockhart stated she would entertain a motion to put the signs up while they work on  
a permanent solution.  
Motion by Vice Chairman Herr, seconded by Commissioner Zembower, to put the signs up as  
requested while they work on a permanent solution.  
Districts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 voted AYE.  
Communications Director  
Mr. Gray announced Christopher Patton has been selected as the new Communications  
Director. Mr. Gray will be forwarding his resume to the Commissioners and will be setting up  
individual meetings as well. Mr. Patton's first day will be August 7, 2023. Per the Charter, the  
Board has to approve or confirm directors that the County Manager appoints or hires. Mr.  
Gray requested a motion to approve.  
Motion by Commissioner Zembower, seconded by Commissioner Dallari, to approve  
Christopher Patton as Communications Director.  
Districts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 voted AYE.  
1,4 Dioxane (1,4­d) Informational Briefing  
Mr. Gray stated staff would like to update the Board on the 1,4 Dioxane issue that everyone  
has been hearing about over the last couple of months. This is the first opportunity to bring  
this to the Board to be looked at in a public setting. Kim Ornberg, Environmental Services  
Director, addressed the Board and presented the 1, 4 Dioxane Informational Briefing  
(presentation received and filed). As part of current actions, they have also started sampling  
for PFOS (perfluorooctanesulfonate), which is unregulated by the EPA. Ms. Ornberg advised  
they have engaged with Carollo Engineers to assist with the assessment of 1,4-d and PFOS  
throughout the county water systems, and Mary Thomas and Scott Richards from Carollo  
were present.  
There was Board questions and discussion. Vice Chairman Herr noted it was ten years ago  
that there was a reading that exceeded the regulatory limit, and it was 2016 the last time there  
was a level that was at the level but not above the reporting requirement level.  
Upon inquiry of Commissioner Dallari, Ms. Ornberg explained a well was shut down in 2016,  
but it is still used for compliance monitoring. In regards to the two cities, Ms. Ornberg advised  
Lake Mary has constructed and is operating a high-level water treatment plant. They were  
affected the most from their wells. Funding for their water treatment plant was provided by  
Siemens. Lake Mary has had some issues with one of their wells that they are looking to add  
some processes. Commissioner Dallari inquired, even though they shut down Well 6, how did  
that affect the system. Ms. Ornberg responded they were able to change their operating  
schedule and were able to provide the necessary water at a better quality. Commissioner  
Dallari requested more information about that.  
Commissioner Zembower inquired how the additional costs for the processes (consultant,  
additional testing, etc) will be offset for the rate payers and what are the County's rights to  
recover from the negligent entity. He would like the County Attorney's Office to look into this.  
Vice Chairman Herr stated if there are opportunities to seek funding for infrastructure change  
that changes the output of the systems, then that is worth pursuing. If this is about pursuing  
damages for punitive purposes that may not be significant, she would not like to spend time  
on that.  
Chairman Lockhart inquired how many potential contaminants there are in water. Ms.  
Thomas responded countless contaminants that they know of today; many, many more that  
they have no idea of; and many that have not been created. The UCMR, unregulated  
contaminants, data is collected every five years in an effort for the EPA to identify what is up  
and coming and what requires regulation.  
Chairman Lockhart inquired what is the industry standard for testing for contaminants. Ms.  
Thomas responded it is generally the EPA or Department of Health of the Department of  
Environmental Protection. In general, public water suppliers, such as the County, have far  
more rigorous requirements than the bottled water industry does. Upon Chairman Lockhart's  
inquiry to explain in laymen's terms of how many gallons over how many years are they  
concerned that there is a potential impact, Ms. Thomas explained the DEP's guidance is if you  
drink above the health advisory limit for 70 years or more, your likelihood of getting cancer is  
increased by one in a million. Chairman Lockhart inquired after learning a lot more, if they  
were to put in to place a system like Lake Mary has, could they assure there would be zero  
1,4-dioxane in the water. Ms. Thomas responded no. The process Lake Mary uses is an  
ozone advanced oxidation process. Those type of processes are designed to reduce  
contaminants by some level, and there is no guarantee that this treatment will completely  
eliminate it. There is a very high likelihood that a treatment could reduce concentrations.  
Discussion ensued.  
Vice Chairman Herr inquired if there is a difference between Lake Mary's methodology for  
reduction in the level and the outcome and the County's dilution methodology. If the level  
goes down, is it important how they got there. Ms. Thomas responded the outcome is to  
provide customers safe drinking water, whether that's through dilution or some other means.  
There are byproducts associated with treatment that also need to tackled. Comparing Lake  
Mary to the County is different because of the high concentration. At the end of the day, the  
goals are the same. Vice Chairman Herr requested staff investigate fluoride.  
Commissioner Dallari inquired in regards to Task 3, identifying treatment options, if they are  
also identifying the potential to clean up the issue, are they looking at the aquifer. Ms.  
Ornberg responded, yes, that is part of what the consultant will be assessing. The  
Commissioner stated he would like to see a map with the plume and a more detailed scope.  
Vice Chairman Herr inquired if the hyperoxidation creates a different outcome, a negative  
outcome from that chemical reaction. Ms. Thomas responded they will come back with that  
information.  
Mr. Gray commented since they were made aware of this, he has directed staff that  
everything is on the table and he has given staff full authority for what they need.  
Commissioner Zembower inquired if that included legal activity/action. Mr. Chipok advised in  
regard to 1,4-d, the County Attorney's Office has sent out several letters to area enviromental  
attorneys asking for their experience in 1,4-d so they could look at the pool and see which is  
the best fit to add to the team. As far as the PFOS, there is federal legislation and the 3M  
company has settled and agreed to pay $10.3 billion to lawsuits related to the PFOS  
contamination in public drinking water around the country. The settlement will compensate  
water providers for pollution and PFOS compounds and help others to cover the costs of  
filtering and testing systems. They have been in contact with counsel from Shutts & Bowen to  
keep apprized of the latest developments, and they are expecting an announcement from the  
state's Attorney General's Office in the next few weeks for an opportunity to join that class  
action.  
Chairman Lockhart stated there are multiple different agencies with different opinions and  
different enforcement levels, and she thinks the thing that every local government and local  
utility would significantly benefit from is the federal government, the EPA, coming out with an  
advisory level for water that is consistent for everyone to follow. She would like permission to  
send a letter to the Administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Michael Regan  
asking for the EPA to give local government that guidance, specifically for the parts per billion  
for drinking water. Discussion ensued.  
Motion by Commissioner Zembower, seconded by Commissioner Dallari, to approve sending  
the letter on behalf of the Commission.  
Districts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 voted AYE.  
Chairman Lockhart recessed the meeting at 3:57 p.m., reconvening at 4:07 pm.  
With regard to public participation, the following spoke and addressed their concerns: Emily  
Turner, Christine Padovan, Mike Morgan, Mark NeJame, Katrina Shadix, Dawn Townsend,  
John Tenuto, Cindy Haller, Nancy Harmon, Joe Humphreys, and H. Alexander Duncan.  
No one else spoke and public input was closed  
Public Comment Forms were received and filed.  
DISTRICT COMMISSIONER REPORTS - DISTRICT 2  
Motion by Commissioner Zembower, seconded by Vice Chairman Herr, to appoint Steven  
Powell to replace Susan Sherman on the Seminole County Port Authority Board for a term  
expiring 12/31/2024.  
Districts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 voted AYE.  
Motion by Commissioner Zembower, seconded by Vice Chairman Herr, to send appropriate  
Resolution #2023-R-77 in appreciation for her service on the Port Authority Board.  
Districts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 voted AYE.  
Commissioner Zembower left the meeting at 4:45 p.m.  
COUNTY ATTORNEY'S REPORT  
1. Mr. Chipok advised as requested, his office has researched hunting on county property  
and it can be allowed, but they must partner with FWC. There is also a provision in the  
upcoming Seminole Forever Ordinance that would allow evaluation on a case-by-case basis if  
the Board did want to allow hunting on a temporary basis on those lands. It is an involved  
process and they will have to coordinate with FWC.  
2. Mr. Chipok stated they received a letter last week from Southern Legal Counsel  
questioning the validity of the County's aggressive Panhandling Ordinance #2015-2, Seminole  
County Code Chapter 232. The County Attorney's Office believes it is firmly legal and it is  
under analysis. Recommendations on how to respond to the letter will be presented at the  
August 8, 2023, meeting.  
3. Mr. Chipok reported that in the Winter Springs Tuskawilla Storage PD Rezoning case, all  
the appeal periods have passed and it is now a final zoning decision.  
DISTRICT COMMISSIONER REPORTS CONTINUED - DISTRICTS 5, 1, 3 and 4  
District 5  
Vice Chairman Herr reported she attended a ribbon cutting for the catio, an area for the cats  
to play, at the Animal Services center. She thanked the donors that made that possible. She  
also attended the first annual state of the schools hosted by SCPS.  
Vice Chairman Herr stated she received a written public comment form from Katrina Howell  
requesting a library fine-free system and that has been distributed to the other Commission  
offices (received and filed).  
The Vice Chairman thanked Assistant County Manager Kristian Swenson for his assistance  
and the Bookertown community for their patience. The retention ponds are cleaned out to a  
better standard and they are on a path to maintaining them.  
District 1  
Commissioner Dallari reported on the Lockwood Boulevard sewer line replacement and  
announced there will be a community meeting in the near future regarding Brumley Road.  
District 3  
Commissioner Constantine reported he attended a community meeting updating on Rolling  
Hills.  
District 4  
No report.  
CHAIRMAN'S REPORT  
1,4­d Presentation  
Chairman Lockhart stated some of the public comments received today during the 1,4-d  
briefing are important for the Board to give some feedback and direction to the County  
Manager.  
Private well owners are a significant concern. She does not think the County has a list of well  
owners, but the Florida Department of Health does. She requested staff make sure they are  
driving DOH. Vice Chairman Herr stated while it is DOH's responsibility and the County  
doesn't have a list, they do have an opportunity on the website to educate around that specific  
item. Chairman Lockhart stated she was hoping to be a little more proactive in the  
communication because people with wells don't randomly look on the County's website for  
information about their wells. She feels they need to do something with the communications  
team in a proactive manner about that.  
She agrees that a one-stop shop for a dashboard, the watershed atlas should also include  
drinking water.  
The Chairman stated this is not the first time she has heard about a $2,000 bill for a public  
records request. She requested staff do some research and get back to the Board on that.  
The topic of preventing future industrial pollution needs to be discussed. She would like the  
County Manager and his team come back with what the County's role would look like in that.  
In regards to 1,4-d and digging out the ground, she needs staff to advise the Board what is  
reasonable and legal.  
As far as meetings being held after 5:00, this was not public hearing item, it was a County  
Manager presentation. While every meeting is open to the public and available for public  
comment, anyone that was not able to attend in person can always watch it. It is streamed  
live on the County's website and YouTube. The Commissioners are available to be reached  
via email, phone, etc.  
Vice Chairman Herr stated the comments made by Mr. Morgan with regard to Dow Chemical  
needs to be explored. She would like someone to tell her whether they should to be sampling  
for glyphosate and diquat. She thinks there is an opportunity to create their own path that  
may be a little different from what the federal government does to protect them all. She thinks  
maybe they need to do a public campaign about if you dump it, plan to drink it. She would  
also like staff to pull what was referenced about the Jeno Paulucci and Siemens lawsuit and  
distribute to all the Commissioners.  
Joel Greenberg related "no work contracts"  
Chairman Lockhart advised she has been asking the County Attorney's Office to talk about  
the timing of a shade meeting regarding the "no work contracts" related to Joel Greenberg to  
strategize legal options. If there is consensus from the Board to continue down the path of  
asking for a meeting with the attorneys, she requests they get that on the record.  
Motion by Vice Chairman Herr, seconded by Commissioner Constantine, to have a shade  
meeting with regard to this issue.  
Under discussion, Commissioner Dallari inquired if this is the appropriate process. The Board  
doesn't ask for a shade meeting, the attorney does. Mr. Chipok responded that is correct His  
office did look into shade meetings, and they require pending litigation that they are a part of  
and at this time there is no pending litigation. Vice Chairman Herr clarified the request is for  
the County Attorney's Office to request the shade meeting at the right time. Discussion  
ensued. Mr. Chipok stated he will take the motion to mean the Board would like his office to  
explore the issue of potential recovery stemming from the Greenberg transactions and they  
will report back in an appropriate manner to each Commissioner. The motioner and the  
seconder agreed to the clarification. Commissioner Dallari stated he wanted to be clear that if  
the Chairman speaks to the County Manager or if the County Attorney is speaking to the  
Board, there should be enough interest that the County Attorney will figure out when the  
proper time is legally to ask for a shade meeting. Vice Chairman Herr responded that is the  
motion. Commissioner Dallari stated there cannot be a motion to do that. Vice Chairman  
Herr requested clarification from Mr. Chipok. Mr. Chipok stated the purpose of a shade  
meeting under the statute is limited to pending litigation, which means the County has to be in  
active suit. During that suit, they are then requesting information from the Board on litigation  
expenses and/or settlement offers. That is the limitation on the shade meeting. To discuss  
potential for bringing a suit against someone, there is no avenue to have a shade meeting on  
that issue. Any discussion of that meeting would have to be in the Sunshine with the full  
Board.  
County Attorney Emeritus Bryant Applegate explained back in November when he reported he  
was able to recoup over a million dollars, he reminded the Board that under our system of  
justice you need to be very careful because you are innocent until proven guilty. Back in  
November, they turned over all of their files to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement  
who is investigating whether or not criminal charges can be brought against any entity or  
individual, and that investigation is still ongoing. He has briefed all of the Commissioners on  
that point both publicly and individually. He confirmed until there is an active case where the  
County is a party, under Florida statute, they cannot have a shade meeting. However, either  
he or Mr. Chipok will be happy to answer any questions they may have on matters. Ideally,  
the best way to get restitution from anybody is if FDLE did find reason to suggest that criminal  
charges get filed because then they will get restitution. Civil actions require authorization from  
this Board, and outside counsel will say how much do they want to spend to go against what  
may be empty wells.  
Vice Chairman Herr stated the fact they believe "no work contracts" happened in this county,  
the citizens are owed money. Perhaps they have Mr. Chipok and the new incoming county  
attorney brief the Commissioners on this and what the best way to proceed is. Discussion  
ensued.  
Commissioner Constantine stated the motion before them now is what Mr. Chipok said and  
requested it be repeated. Mr. Chipok stated as he understands the discussion, the motion  
would be to move forward with a process for recovery of funds from the Greenberg-related  
cases and to brief the Board on the listing of the funds recovered, the files that have been  
turned over to FDLE for evaluation for criminal prosecution, to monitor those cases to  
hopefully get recovery as part of criminal suit, and failing criminal suits, then it's a question of  
timing as to recover what is possible in civil suits if there are no criminal suits.  
Vice Chairman Herr stated that is completely different from her motion so she would withdraw  
her last motion and Commissioner Constantine, as the seconder, agreed.  
Motion by Vice Chairman Herr, seconded by Commissioner Constantine, to move forward with  
a process for recovery of funds from the Greenberg-related cases and to brief the Board on  
the listing of the funds recovered, the files that have been turned over to FDLE for evaluation  
for criminal prosecution, to monitor those cases to hopefully get recovery as part of criminal  
suit, and failing criminal suits, then it's a question of timing as to recover what is possible in  
civil suits if there are no criminal suits.  
Districts 1, 3, 4, and 5 voted AYE.  
FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS - None Requested  
PUBLIC COMMENT (Items not Related to the Agenda)  
Katrina Shadix addressed the Board and distributed Peaceful Coexistence with the Florida  
Black Bear booklet (received and filed) and advised they are being distributed to new  
residents of the county. She has been informed that Division of State Lands received a Lake  
Monroe Conservation Area Management Plan and they will consider it at the October 13th  
meeting in Tallahassee. It is the Acquisition and Restoration Council. Letters of support can  
be sent to hank.vincent@floridadep.gov.  
Public Comment Form received and filed.  
ADJOURN BCC MEETING  
There being no further business to come before the Board, the Chairman declared the  
meeting adjourned at 5:22 p.m., this same date.  
APPROVED by the BCC:  
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Chairman  
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Date  
ATTEST:  
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Clerk of Court and Comptroller  
AS Clerk to the BCC